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Enoughs Enough
23-06-2013, 08:00 PM
Post: #31
RE: Enoughs Enough
The commercialism and the "need to know now" about "what happens next", puts immense pressure on the genuine readers. I don't believe a genuine reader is ever wrong, I do believe the snippet of information they receive (no matter what clair's are used) is "actual", but not set on a timer and subject to actions of those involved.

I don't believe a genuine reader can see every twist and turn in any story as it unfolds, but the snippets that they do pick up, will be as described (subject to symbolic references - another topic).

I think a lot of what is subjectively picked up is open to interpretation, and it would be down to the reader and sitter to work out what it may mean, or leave it to unfold if needs be.

If people were not to use a psychic for "day to day" matters or a "I need to know now" basis, I think a lot more would fall into place as it should. I think if a reader gives guidance to help move the situation and its ignored and/or the sitter isn't prepared to work at what they wish to achieve, there is no scope for a sitter to say that everything was wrong.

A genuine reader will pick up on elements of the situation, but not every action, twist or turn - so people need to be careful at how far they go in having readings.

Some things don't unfold for years, there has been many instances of this.
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23-06-2013, 08:06 PM
Post: #32
RE: Enoughs Enough
I see, so your readings provide more guidance than actual predictions.

In relation to the disclaimer you are wrong, I had readings from the College of Psychic Studies and they do not have any disclaimer, also The Arthur Findlay College does not use that disclaimer. I found that only money making companies and or doubtful psychics use and embrace the disclaimer as real and ethical psychics know only too well that it is an absurdity!

About the "free will" card, what you mentioned is about taking actions in order to achieve progress in life. If you want a job of course you have to take actions in order to manifest this, it has nothing to do with free will. The free will card I sadly heard too many times is about the other person changed their mind, the interviewer had a last minute change of heart, they wanted to call you but use their free will etc.

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23-06-2013, 08:10 PM
Post: #33
RE: Enoughs Enough
(23-06-2013 08:00 PM)Muffins Wrote:  The commercialism and the "need to know now" about "what happens next", puts immense pressure on the genuine readers. I don't believe a genuine reader is ever wrong, I do believe the snippet of information they receive (no matter what clair's are used) is "actual", but not set on a timer and subject to actions of those involved.

I don't believe a genuine reader can see every twist and turn in any story as it unfolds, but the snippets that they do pick up, will be as described (subject to symbolic references - another topic).

I think a lot of what is subjectively picked up is open to interpretation, and it would be down to the reader and sitter to work out what it may mean, or leave it to unfold if needs be.

If people were not to use a psychic for "day to day" matters or a "I need to know now" basis, I think a lot more would fall into place as it should. I think if a reader gives guidance to help move the situation and its ignored and/or the sitter isn't prepared to work at what they wish to achieve, there is no scope for a sitter to say that everything was wrong.

A genuine reader will pick up on elements of the situation, but not every action, twist or turn - so people need to be careful at how far they go in having readings.

Some things don't unfold for years, there has been many instances of this.

I totally agree with you Muffin, that is why ethical readers rarely give timings as time is just a sequence of events dictated by personal progress...

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23-06-2013, 08:13 PM
Post: #34
RE: Enoughs Enough
I think that readings based on guidance are important, if not more important, than the predictions themselves. I think Icemaiden has it right, and I would bet her reading was not wrong, just subject to whatever was going on with that other person, their actions, and/or timings.

I can only imagine having a sitter come to you for a reading about something close to their hearts is so difficult.

I think free will is important, because it does have a role to play. I made two massive mistakes last year, when I had things in the palm of my hands, literally. If I had made a different choice, I'd have had the outcome I wanted.

Life is for living, not waiting, we've got to make our own things happen. I think people should look at how they would have acted without the reading, how they acted after the reading, and then they may see whether readings benefit them or not - and why!
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23-06-2013, 08:15 PM
Post: #35
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(23-06-2013 08:10 PM)Popsicle Wrote:  
(23-06-2013 08:00 PM)Muffins Wrote:  The commercialism and the "need to know now" about "what happens next", puts immense pressure on the genuine readers. I don't believe a genuine reader is ever wrong, I do believe the snippet of information they receive (no matter what clair's are used) is "actual", but not set on a timer and subject to actions of those involved.

I don't believe a genuine reader can see every twist and turn in any story as it unfolds, but the snippets that they do pick up, will be as described (subject to symbolic references - another topic).

I think a lot of what is subjectively picked up is open to interpretation, and it would be down to the reader and sitter to work out what it may mean, or leave it to unfold if needs be.

If people were not to use a psychic for "day to day" matters or a "I need to know now" basis, I think a lot more would fall into place as it should. I think if a reader gives guidance to help move the situation and its ignored and/or the sitter isn't prepared to work at what they wish to achieve, there is no scope for a sitter to say that everything was wrong.

A genuine reader will pick up on elements of the situation, but not every action, twist or turn - so people need to be careful at how far they go in having readings.

Some things don't unfold for years, there has been many instances of this.

I totally agree with you Muffin, that is why ethical readers rarely give timings as time is just a sequence of events dictated by personal progress...

But if you've had refunds because predictions were wrong, could those predictions not have been subject to time? Could those predictions still unfold?
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23-06-2013, 08:32 PM
Post: #36
RE: Enoughs Enough
Popsicle..... I am not going to argue with you... any ethical psychic with an ounce of common sense uses the legally required disclaimer.... and just because something has a big name does not necessarily make it ethical. But we can word the disclaimer in a way that actually makes it clear we don't believe we should be using it ;-) LOL

And no I am a bit more than a guidance reader, I just don't bow into the demands for endless and futile predictions without at least giving someone some idea of how to get there... the universe doesn't deliver predictions in nice little wrapped bows.. people need to put the work in, and sometimes it means delving back into the past in order to work out the issues in the present so that the future can unfold. I also do a lot of readings with oracle cards to help people who need a lot more than random predictions and need a lot of help and guidance in their present.... its hard to explain really but I do this to help others, not become part of a problem. the oracle readings is also tied in to a lot of self help work and energy healing.... sometimes we actually need to take the steps to help ourselves because until we do, we will stay stuck in a cycle...... (if that makes sense).

and as I have said, it's not something I do full time as I am more into my art and writing at the minute as well as alternative healing :-).. however it is something I enjoy doing....

Time limits are notoriously inaccurate.. and sadly so many people now demand time limits, and I guess some readers bow into the pressure of giving them.

Also, just to add another point... how many people would get stuck in the cycle of readings if readers helped them face what was holding them back as well as giving predictions, and were honest in their predictions?????

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23-06-2013, 09:45 PM
Post: #37
RE: Enoughs Enough
Icemaiden I am not here to argue, my intention is not to argue with anyone but to give my honest and detailed account of my experience with psychics and the psychic world which stretches back few years and embraces several perspectives....

What I hate about the disclaimer is when it is used both as as shield and as a sword! As a shield, when people actually question the validity of the predictions given then psychics use the "FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY" disclaimer meaning that we should not rely on the actual predictions. As a sword, meaning when you said that it can be worded in a way that makes us believe that psychics have to comply with the law but it is actually meaningless and they honestly believe in their predictions and reassure us that they are the genuine article.... However, when it comes down to the naked truth only few psychics are willing to reimburse us for failed predictions or are willing to turn our cash away when they see that we have become to reliant on the readings.

I would not dismiss the College of Psychic Studies and The Arthur Findlay College that easily as they proved me that they are ethical in that they refused to provide me with a reading when I tried to book for a follow up before 6 months have passed from my previous reading, also when I was at my lowest point they made sure that the balance was restored by giving me the time of the day to explain me how the psychic world works and offered weekly 1 hour healing all of this FREE OF CHARGE!

Another ethical association is the Spiritualist Association of Great Britain (SAGB), they as well are not a money making scheme!

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23-06-2013, 11:08 PM
Post: #38
RE: Enoughs Enough
I think most genuine psychics would reimburse for predictions not happening, if enough time had been given for them to play out, but the thing is, if you give someone a reading and they perhaps didn't like it, then it is very easy for someone to scream money back, when perhaps the psychic in question is right??

And then there is the question of how much time should pass before a reader starts giving back money.. and what if the prediction hasn't happened because the person in question has done not one thing that would even remotely get them closer to it happening...

For example.. I want to get published, its my biggest goal in life. I can ask for hundreds of readings about getting published, but it wouldn't matter how many readers said "Yes it is there for you" etc etc.. if I don't send anything off to a publisher, I am never going to get published.. the universe is good but not that good.... and here lies the biggest thing.... should psychics be expected to refund every reading like that, where the person has done nothing to work towards the outcome they want???? There is something called personal responsibility... and if a person is not willing or wanting to take any personal responsibility in their lives the reading is a moot point from the start... because something can't happen if a person makes the decision to do nothing but sit there waiting....

When you speak of refunds and psychics should give them... anyone could then sit there and be a bit short one month and think, oooh I know, I had 15 readings last month and as yet nothing has happened, I am going to demand my money back...... not everyone is honest, and not everyone has a moral compass.....its not as cut and dried as simply getting a refund, or a psychic not wanting to give a refund.. there is a lot of other things to consider.

I have heard mixed things about the college, from people who have studied there... I can't comment as I steer clear of big organisations therefore I can't judge them personally on their ethics.... I just know that when you read in person you don't have to use the disclaimer, at least I never have... but on line or if you are working for a big company, the disclaimer is actually a legal requirement.... because it has not been scientifically proven the disclaimer needs to be there...... just because I may not believe its for entertainment, doesn't mean I can bend the law to suit my own beliefs...

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23-06-2013, 11:25 PM
Post: #39
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I understand the point you made about the refund policy, I have a business and I offer 100% money back guaranteed, no questions asked and none of my clients ever claimed it! The reason why it is there it is because I am more than happy to put my money where my mouth is; I am the first one in my sector that actually offer the 100% money back guaranteed as I know what I can and can't do thus I am comfortable with that. Despite what people things majority of human beings are decent and will only claim it if they honestly think they did not receive the service for which they have paid for. I understand that in terms of predictions the line can get blurred as timings is difficult to predict but what about wrong predictions? When someone tell you that you will get married to that person and then that particular person gets married to someone else? That clearly is a wrong prediction... I had many psychics telling me that I would have won a particularly tender but I did not, shall I not be entitled to a refund? Also, I had psychics telling me to go on a partner up with a particular person who based on their insight was a decent and reputable business man but he was not, he was a con artist and I had a lucky escape here only because I followed my instincts and decided to dig up on him. Shall I not be entitled to a refund???

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24-06-2013, 01:32 AM
Post: #40
RE: Enoughs Enough
In all honesty I believe anyone that uses psychiics do so at their own risk.

To my mind there is nothing grounded in reality with a psychic reading. Bear in mind that there are only very very few that accurately predict (I really do feel some exist.
How can anybody literally believe what a psychic predicts will really happen?

By the law of averages everyone's lives go through changes. A money back guarantee is really an impossible thing to ask for due to the nature of the work.

Readings are just taken too seriously now. They always have been used as a one off bit of fun. To expect a refund because the timing has been wrong is just ridiculous. And believe me I am 75% a skeptic.

Ideally psychic readings should be about predictions as that is always what they have been about in the past, but things have changed now with psychic shows where they have For Entertainment Purposes Only and this New Age freewill is the thing now.

Personal power comes from making your own decisions and believing in yourself.

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